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09-04-2010, 04:19 PM
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New and need some I.D.
Hey people!
This is my first post here, I really love Aloë species, but also like Agave species and different kinds of Cacti species  But first I actually need some I.D. on 2 Aloë species. I think the first one could be Aloë hemmengii and the second one an Aloë jacunda? What's your opinion?   Thnx for checking! Last edited by Dezzy; 09-05-2010 at 04:20 AM. 
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09-07-2010, 04:41 PM
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The first is Aloe Hemmengi, the second, I don't know.
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09-07-2010, 06:45 PM
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Well, the second one looks like Aloe jucunda. Here's a pic of mine.
Although it looks like it, mine has more spots than yours. I'm 90 something percent sure though. Do a Google search for pictures, lots of them there. Notice the spelling is jucunda and not jacunda!
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09-08-2010, 08:16 PM
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Aloe harlana can grow up to 20" across according to my Lexicon of Succulent Plants book. It is usually solitary but it can have a pup or two, probably with age and size. Probably not as a small plant. You don't say whether this has flowered or not but if it is harlana then the inflorescences are a deep red and are 28" to 36" tall.
Aloe hemmingii is a smaller plant, about 1/3 the size of harlana, and pups much more frequently. It's inflorescences are flamingo-red or pale rose pink and are 12" to 14" tall. Aloe somaliensis (Another possibility) is somewhere in the middle size wise and has pink-scarlet inflorescences. I have what Altman Plants calls A. harlana. Mine is about 8" in diameter but hasn't flowered yet. I will wait for it to flower before I make a final determination as Altman Plants mislabels their plants all the time. Here's a pic of my A. harlana.
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09-09-2010, 02:42 AM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure both the OP's first one, and sroberts's plants are A. hemmingii.
Sroberts - has your plant offset? Hemmingii tends to pup every so often, while harlana remains solitary. So that's the dead giveaway with the first pic. I've bought at least a half dozen plants from the same ethiopian/somalian family incorrectly labeled 'harlana' and most turn out to be forms of hemmingii. I wish someone would clear up why exactly harlanas are so rare/difficult to acquire. Seldom producing viable seed? Obligate outcrossing? I'm stumped. I did get to see a harlana in an impressive private collection, and I noticed that its leaves are incurved, whereas hemmingii's are recurved... Harlana or not, it's looking good. Last edited by Walker; 09-09-2010 at 02:52 AM.
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09-09-2010, 06:04 AM
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Then I guess it's a A. hemmengii, because it flowered twice this summer, with pinkish flowers and got a few pups!
Thnx for helping guys! I post some more pics of my plants later this day
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09-09-2010, 01:50 PM
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ANother difference not mentioned is that Aloe hemengi is darker with lighter spots and A. harlana has a paler leaf with slightly more analogous spots. It has less contrast between the two than the hemengi. I have not seen my A. harlana bloom yet. I would post a picture but I am embarrassed by the condition it is in. Last winter was cold and wet and it is still recovering.
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09-09-2010, 02:54 PM
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My harlana or hemmingii, which ever it is, has not flowered yet nor has it offset. If it is hemmingii, it would have to be a full grown plant and I think it would of offset or flowered by now but not necessarily.
It is a very slow growing plant for me as I have had it for about 3 years and it has grown very little. It is a very healthy plant though. This almost seems like it should be a topic of another post though, "Is it better to have no tags on a plant when purchased or to have a certain number of plants from nurseries be mislabeled?" I know that a lot of plants even at the big plant shows getting #1 awards are often mislabeled. There really needs to be a definitive website/s devoted to all the different genera out there with pictures of the variants in age as well as colorings, markings and flowering! Sometimes even people who have been collecting for decades are not sure and will debate others as to what specific species they are dealing with. DNA testing for all plants? Wouldn't that be nice, and costly... Steve
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09-10-2010, 01:33 AM
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harlana and hemmingii
Hello All,
If you'd like to see habitat pics of A harlana then go to www.aloestudies.org and click on species. There are also pics of A hemmingii, the plants are from the Huntington Bot. Garden. 99% of the plants out there labelled as A harlana are not A harlana. The only offering of A harlana that may be true are the plants offered by the ISI 5-10 years ago. Even those plants have been questioned by a few people but so far mine look true and have gotten quite large as one would expect harlana to do. Cheers, John
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09-10-2010, 10:43 PM
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Here's a pic of A. harlana from tonight, and then when it was blooming in the winter.
Last edited by scotthawk; 01-27-2011 at 04:09 PM.
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09-10-2010, 10:48 PM
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That sure isn't a A. hemengii, in my book. Beautiful.
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09-10-2010, 11:09 PM
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How old is yours. I have one that looks like it but much smaller since I only got it last fall and planted outside in the ground in time for the 12 degree WET cold front. It lived under its cardboard box, but not un injured. It is in a pot now.
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09-11-2010, 03:34 PM
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It is 5 or six years old now. I have lost the tag with the year I got it. It never bloomed until a couple of years ago, and closes up on itself a little bit this time of year in Arizona. I love the markings. I'm glad you liked it.  Scott
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09-12-2010, 06:01 PM
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09-19-2010, 09:56 PM
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harlana vs. hemmingii
Notice that Scotthawk's harlana has leaves with elongate streaks, not spots like the original poster's "harlana". BTW, my "harlana" from Altman has just started sending up inflorescences - unbranched and light pink! So it is hemmingii, which is what I suspected.
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