~*ID that Dudleya*~

[Coyotee]

Howdy y'all,

I was down in Baja last week and I saw this Dudleya. The person I was with didn't recognize the plant so we took note of it. I stupidly did not take a picture of the inflorescence but it was a longer one and the flowers were evenly spread out along it. I don't know if you can tell without the flower but I thought I'd give it a try anyways.

Cody Coyotee

[Allen Repashy]

How about a location and a flower color?

[Coyotee]

GREAT IDEA!

We were near the coast in a wash between large hills in the region of Baja. North of Cerro Solo surrounded by Pinus muricata and tecate cypress. The flower color was a pale cream. The inflorescence was pink. I found another picture that might help. The view if what it looked like from the top and the wash was more to the north and down. The Dudleya was protected by the pines but received full sun in the evening. The picture was taken at 5pm, July 13th, 2010. I'll get coordinates later.

[Kevin Coniff]

Coyote,
Was that Cerro Solo on Cedros Island?
Kevin

[Kelly Griffin]

I not entirely sure without seeing flowers but I would bet Dudleya gatesii just on the good pictures of the leaves and rosettes

Kelly G

[amanzed]

That's some studly Dudleyacity.

[Coyotee]

Originally Posted by Kevin Coniff

Coyote,
Was that Cerro Solo on Cedros Island?
Kevin

No, it was near the coast up around Erendira or San Vincente area. I was all turned around and lost the whole time we were there and couldn't keep track of where we were or where we were going.

[Coyotee]

Originally Posted by Kelly Griffin

I not entirely sure without seeing flowers but I would bet Dudleya gatesii just on the good pictures of the leaves and rosettes

Kelly G

Muchas Gracias!

[Steve Mudge]

Kind of gatesii-ish but in such a different habitat than southern population...This Pinus muricata area around Erendira is more of a fog forest; gatesii is scared of coastal moisture in my experience. I recall a farinose Dudleya that was growing on Punta Cabras, just up the coast but its been a long time since I saw it last. This one seems more brittonii-ish or antonii-ish. Maybe some gene flow from up the coast....i've seen the green britonii in the canyon behind P. San Jose, not far from this area.

[Boo Hollow]

Kelly & Steve - Isn't that a bit too far south for D. gatesii? Isn't the San Vicente area more typical for D. ingens? Looks like a couple of plants I got from McCabe that were labeled D. ingens, which prompts my doubts for gatesii, although the flower color may be in conflict.

[Steve Mudge]

Agreed on D. gatesii---its way south---down San Borja. Seven Sisters way...D. ingens sounds like a good guess though I've never been able to figure out what ingens is! Pics I've seen make it look like a southern variant of green britonii melding with a viridicata....other pics look like a hybrid of attenuatta/viridicata....

[mvbronzeart]

Steve,
Here's are some pictures of my Dudleya Ingens to contrast and compare with. It's about a foot long now.

[Steve Mudge]

Originally Posted by mvbronzeart

Steve,
Here's are some pictures of my Dudleya Ingens to contrast and compare with. It's about a foot long now.

For some reason the pics aren't showing up on my computer......

[Steve Mudge]

Originally Posted by mvbronzeart

Steve,
Here's are some pictures of my Dudleya Ingens to contrast and compare with. It's about a foot long now.

Got it! Pretty good match for D. ingens in the form you have in the pics. I need to go do a transect from La Mision to Colonet Mesa again and see if I can get D. ingens clearer in my brain....

[Matt Maggio]

What about D. cultrata? The ones down by San Quintin are a little more leggy and upright than the picture though...

MM

[Steve Mudge]

Originally Posted by Matt Maggio

What about D. cultrata? The ones down by San Quintin are a little more leggy and upright than the picture though...

MM

This one kind of fascinates me since it is in an unusual ecology--a Pinus muricata forest ( along with some associates like Arctostaphylos). This region stands out since most of the surrounding environs is southern coastal scrub with elements of the coastal sarcophyllous desert. Likely another relic pine forest surviving on the fog. I'd like to see this Dudleya in flower.

[palmbob]

here is a vaguely similar Dudleya I collected a few years ago, probably outside its natural range (collected from a local nursery). No idea what this one is.

[Steve Mudge]

Did you collect it near the town of Punta Prieta or Rosarito (the southern one not the tourist town by TJ)? Looks like that type.....grows down on the coast there too I think (Santa Rosalillita). Just a guess....

[palmbob]

No, I collected in near the town of Tarzana, California in a small nursery... found it in a small black pot labeled 'succulent'

[Matt Maggio]

Palmbob, I wonder if yours could be the Dudleya caespitosa I remember from around Point Mugu State Park.

Here's D. gatesii from down south below Punta Prieta.

[Steve Mudge]

Matt----yes, lots of D. gatesii in that area...the plant I'm thinking of though looks like a giant form of D. albiflora and grows (at least was growing) along the cliffs along the highway south of Rosarita (the highway there runs between the cliffs and a large arroyo which empties in the ocean at Punta Rosarito---if you're a surfer you'd know it as "The Wall")...its been awhile since I checked it out though---next time!