Echeveria ID help

[Walker]

So I was wondering if any of the knowledgeable folks on the forum could help me identify a few cultivars whose names I can't seem to pin down.

1. The best I can come up with is that this one bears a strong resemblance to the cultivar E. "Blue Bird"



2. This little guy is probably an E. Purpusorum cross of some kind




3. I bought this one incorrectly labeled "E. Lindsayana." To me it looks like there's definitely more Pulidonis than Colorata in the mix.




4. No idea about this one...


5. The only thing I can find that looks anything like this guy is E. "Alfred Graf" - but the color of that hybrid is different, and the leaves are a bit more irregular...



6. This one is tiny and I'm leaning toward the possibility that it's an intergeneric hybrid (cremneria perhaps?)



I apologize for the poor picture quality (the photos were snapped hastily in February, the day before leaving for South America for a year).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Allen Repashy]

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[Matt Maggio]

I would only challenge the first one. I'm raising some documented E. chihuahuensis x lilacina hybrids and some closely resemble your #1. I see lilacina here, which I don't see very well in 'Blue bird'. The later probably has colorata fa. brandtii, cuspidata, or both.

Concerning the others, your guesses are as good as mine

Matt

[halibut]

Hello,

#2 is a purpusorum x derenbergii hybrid called 'Fabiola'
#6 I believe is an agavoides x elegans hybrid- it has a name but I forgot it.

[Walker]

Thanks for the replies guys!

Matt - I'm with you on the Lilacina resemblance, in terms of the farinose coating and the leaf tip shape.

halibut - I appreciate the feedback, but it's not E. 'Fabiola' - the color is similar, to be sure, but the leaf shape is quite different, with 'Fabiola' taking the Derenbergii structure, and bearing much stronger resemblance to E. 'Shamrock' than the plant in question. See creater Jean-Michel Moullec's write-up: http://www.jardinexotiqueroscoff.com...embre_2008.pdf

As for the E. Agavoides x Elegans hybrid you mention, I think you're talking about about E. 'Jade Point.' I was sure that was what I had until I saw one in person and realized it tops out at more than 6" in diameter, and you're looking at full grown rosettes of the mystery plant - maybe 2.5" max.

[Walker]

Surfing the ICN's hybrid lists, I found a plant named E. 'Glory' that bears a strong resemblance to #2. (Echeveria hybrids List G (engl, fr))

Thoughts?

[Rosemarie]

I checked out E. 'Glory' at ICN. I don't think the flowers are a match to yours. That plant belonged to my friend, Al. (RIP) Sorry I can't be of any help to you.

[Walker]

Rosemarie - I think you're absolutely right, the E. 'Glory' inflorescence pictured on the ICN is notably longer, and less derenbergii-esque than my plant. I totally missed that detail in my excitement to have found a similar-looking rosette. Thank you for pointing it out.

A UC Master Gardener friend recently suggested that it might be an incorrectly-named cultivar, E. "Amethystinum." Anyone know anything about a plant by that name? I have yet to find anything helpful via google...

Some unrelated succulent oogling on an Australian nursery's website yielded another potential lead for #2 (Roraima Nursery Cacti and Succulents Sales - Echeveria purpusorum (narrow leaf form) (Powered by CubeCart)). Close, Eh?

[Matt Maggio]

do you mean xGraptoveria amethorum?

[Walker]

Nope. E. 'Amethystinum'
As far as I can tell that name only belongs to the Graptopetalum parent in the leaf-split-prone (at least with my winter rain) hybrid you mention... hmmm

[Rosemarie]

I know of the (split-leaf prone) intergeneric xGraptoveria 'Amethorum' & the Graptopetalum amethystinum (one of the parents of the above named plant).

But Echeveria amethystinum sounds like what your friend said was an incorrectly named plant. I found a pic online that someone has tagged as that. It does look similar to your plant (but not quite).
CARLABRAUER.COM: photography I believe there is no such named species.

The plant shown at Roraima looks like someone couldn't decide on a name for it, so called it a "narrow leaf form".

I realize I'm just throwing more mud in the mix & not helping you much.

[Walker]

One mystery solved, I think:
According to the ICN, #3 is an E. Colorata 'Lindsayana' x Pulidonis hybrid by the name of E. 'Ileen.' Echeveria hybrids list C (engl & fr)

Am I right?