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Old 11-07-2011, 10:22 AM
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Old 11-07-2011, 09:54 PM
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Any idea as to what species this is? I too got a few from Bill Baker and have always wondered what species it is. I really like it as it gets very purple-red in the winter and silver-green in the summer.
I just recently propagated a few if these!

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Old 11-07-2011, 09:58 PM
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I forgot to mention that Bill Baker told me he collected this in habitat. What did you hear from Bill?

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Brent,
Its a hybrid.. I don't know who the daddy was. Bill probably knew who the seed parent was but he didn't say.
Are you saying that you have one of these Hechtia Aztec Sun or you have other bromeliads from Baker?
Take some pictures..

Habitat? I suppose it could be a natural hybrid... As far as I know.. habitat would be Reseda.

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Thanks for letting me know it's a hybrid. I do have a few of these in the ground and I cut one up this year for resale. I will send some pictures as this is one of my favorites. I'm positive it's the same plant.

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I had one that was 3' across. Lost it to frost.
Did you buy any of those early Dyckia from Bill?
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Hey Wes, those pictures look a bit different than the one you donated to Quail. Here is a picture of it in full glory last winter.



Notice how much more scurf it has on the leaves compared to how glabrous your pictured plants are?

Have you had one bloom? I have a sneaking suspicion that H. Aztec Sun was another hybrid between a center bloomer and a lateral bloomer (but won't tell you my speculation on parentage as it is such a far out guess).
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:31 AM
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ahhh the Hechtia truth squad.
I think your picture of the Hechtia AztecSun came off of the plant in my picture.
I gave it to Jeremy the Great back when he ruled the Q...but he must have accidently left it there. You better dig it up and gift wrap it for him... Xmas is coming
I can not account for the difference in scurf other than to say the pictures of 2 plants are taken at different times of the year and in different culture.
They look similar to me. I will also decline to mention possible parents or what direction the bloom takes.. Lets keep it a secret. Could the parents be Hechtia Argentina?

Sending another picture of AS an older plant that I sold for 200.

Also here is a recently discovered Hechtia.. Baker's Beauty. Shrouded in mystery.. a species.. a hybrid? Found at Solana Succulents... Home of collectible plants
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Okay, with that picture they look the same. Nice that they pup more than other Hechtias I know...

And Baker's Beauty also gives me the hybrid vibe. Not sure how or why, but its character seems like a strange amalgam of stuff and doesn't fit in with anything else I've seen. But, as usual, no way to prove it one way or the other unless someone finds it in habitat to prove it is a species or does the hybrid and come up with a plant that is close. Neither being an easy (or quick) task.
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The white Dyckia could be a natural hybrid...
Baker told me the location..even wrote it on the tag when I bought it from him. I think I know where that tag is...

I think we talked about this somewhere else
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:51 PM
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It smells, behaves, and looks like a Hechtia to me. Added to the fact that I haven't heard about it blooming for anyone--much like Hechtias tend to do. We did chat about it. Until I see the tag or get at least the name from you I'll remain skeptical. I know there are some wild looking Hechtias out there still lurking in the mountains and canyons, but this one feels different. I certainly wouldn't fight over it as I have no better evidence to support my suspicions, but it being a hybrid is still my guess.
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Oh..its a Hechtia alright....I have had one bloom.
The bloom came from smack dab in the middle of the rosette.
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Oh, okay. In your last post had 'Dyckia', so I wasn't sure what you were thinking about it. Cool, so that is good to know it is a center bloomer. You wouldn't have happened to have taken a picture of it? Was it male or female? (You knew I was going to ask all of those pesky questions...)
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that was a test.
Hechtia are #1

Did you ever view those Gasteria clips?
Well.. I was going to take a picture of the bloom...actually..it bloomed without my knowledge... sorta just happened...unknown if its morf..it sure got ugly towards the end
I think I got 10 pups off the plant though.

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Do you remember (even roughly) the branching structure? Just the leaves looked ugly? Odd how some bloom and you can't even tell which leaves are from the mother plant as they fade away slowly, and some just look like crap after blooming!
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I think it was a fairly simple branching structure... wait till this year..I will have another one

The flowers had all dried up before I noticed the blooming plant...but there were lots of pups on the base. I wanted to let the pups stay on the mother plant as long as possible so I trimmed most of the leaves off the plant to view the pups better. It was ugly in the sense that the original plant was severely pruned but beautiful in the sense that pups were like $ in the bank.

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Even if the flowers themselves were already dried, the branching (size/lenth, number, bipinnate, tripinnate) and arrangement of the flowers (clustered or laxly spaced) could still be useful. Even the structure can tell you if the flowers were male or female.

Always good to get plenty of pups!
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hmmm.. I don't remember any of that good stuff.. next time I will take notes.

I got a Hechtia rosea like thing blooming now... might be female - few flowers spaced well apart from each other...few branches that are maybe reach 4 feet tall
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make it 5 foot tall and rising
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Hmmm, interesting. That silvery white Hechtia with the reddish teeth on the edge reminds me of a Hechtia I have here that you and i discussed once, wuzz. Wouldn't speculate whether they're related.
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Dean...
I found the guy (He worked for Steve Hammer?)who sold the Hechtia to you and I bought 3 different Hechtia from him..It was at the Long Beach Antique swapmeet... Never saw Hechtia at a swapmeet before..it was a first. anyhow... I think it was the same silver one you have.. now I have one too. The silver/blue with red teeth Hechtia pictured in this series is different from yours (mine). Maybe its the same...I dunno...It hasn't bloomed yet for me... but it turned into a pup monster.
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Cool! I'm glad you ran into Tom (it's Gary Hammer that he had a business relationship with, who unfortunately died not long ago in an accident in Arizona)... at Long Beach Swap Meet of all places. I knew Tom sometimes sold at PCC Swap Meet, but I didn't know about Long Beach.

Yeah that silvery one keeps growing more heads for me. I'm not even sure if I can call them offsets or pups; it's like the whole thing is sprouting multiple growing points from many angles. They're not long enough to call "branches" and they're not separate enough to call "offsets". A bit of a chaotic mess, but still an attractive mess, to my eyes.

I also have what I think is Hechtia rosea from him. It's growing nicely, too... One of the Dyckias he sold me just finished its first round of blooms for me, but no flowers yet from those two Hechtia.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:26 PM
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They are different
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